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Clips from Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God (2012)

we just wanted it to be a warning to people.

"we just wanted it to be a warning to people."

Mea Maxima Culpa: Silence in the House of God (2012)

When the school would hold a fundraiser,

"When the school would hold a fundraiser,"

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they'd go to the cars that were parked at the school

"they'd go to the cars that were parked at the school"

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and they would put this flyer,

"and they would put this flyer,"

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you know, don't give money to this man because he abuses these kids.

"you know, don't give money to this man because he abuses these kids."

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I was shocked and I tried to advise Bob

"I was shocked and I tried to advise Bob"

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that, you know, this was not really the way to fix this.

"that, you know, this was not really the way to fix this."

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He was caught up in the era of activism

"He was caught up in the era of activism"

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and he was really trying to get deaf people

"and he was really trying to get deaf people"

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to kind of stand up for themselves.

"to kind of stand up for themselves."

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At John Conway's suggestion, they hired a lawyer

"At John Conway's suggestion, they hired a lawyer"

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and began collecting sworn affidavits from Murphy's victims.

"and began collecting sworn affidavits from Murphy's victims."

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The idea was to submit these affidavits,

"The idea was to submit these affidavits,"

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which were very graphic and very clear,

"which were very graphic and very clear,"

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to Archbishop Cousins and then, we thought the matter would be finished,

"to Archbishop Cousins and then, we thought the matter would be finished,"

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we thought that the priest would be removed from the school.

"we thought that the priest would be removed from the school."

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The Church's response was silence.

"The Church's response was silence."

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Determined to make their voices heard,

"Determined to make their voices heard,"

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Bob, Arthur and Gary went to the Milwaukee Cathedral

"Bob, Arthur and Gary went to the Milwaukee Cathedral"

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and handed out their flyers to passers-by.

"and handed out their flyers to passers-by."

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Suddenly, they were granted a meeting with Archbishop Cousins.

"Suddenly, they were granted a meeting with Archbishop Cousins."

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The Archbishop was there, Father Murphy was there.

"The Archbishop was there, Father Murphy was there."

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In fact, Father Murphy sat right next to me.

"In fact, Father Murphy sat right next to me."

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He would look down, look around,

"He would look down, look around,"

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he was not going to make eye contact with us.

"he was not going to make eye contact with us."

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There were some teachers from the school,

"There were some teachers from the school,"

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several leaders that I knew in the deaf community that were there

"several leaders that I knew in the deaf community that were there"

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to speak in support of Father Murphy

"to speak in support of Father Murphy"

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In the group were two priests.

"In the group were two priests."

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They were described by the Archbishop as members of the Vatican.

"They were described by the Archbishop as members of the Vatican."

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And the Archbishop thanked us for bringing this matter

"And the Archbishop thanked us for bringing this matter"

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to the attention of the Archdiocese.

"to the attention of the Archdiocese."

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He allowed that this problem had existed before,

"He allowed that this problem had existed before,"

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and he mentioned that back as far as 1960,

"and he mentioned that back as far as 1960,"

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this matter had been addressed.

"this matter had been addressed."

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Cousins would deny having said this,

"Cousins would deny having said this,"

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but an investigation revealed that, even before 1960,

"but an investigation revealed that, even before 1960,"

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Father Walsh had tried to do something about Murphy.

"Father Walsh had tried to do something about Murphy."

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Having heard complaints from Arthur and from other students,

"Having heard complaints from Arthur and from other students,"

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Walsh reported the accusations to Cousins' predecessor,

"Walsh reported the accusations to Cousins' predecessor,"

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Archbishop Meyer.

"Archbishop Meyer."

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Meyer went to Murphy and he confessed to the abuse,

"Meyer went to Murphy and he confessed to the abuse,"

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but Murphy was not dismissed.

"but Murphy was not dismissed."

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He went away in a short retreat

"He went away in a short retreat"

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before being invited back

"before being invited back"

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to supervise children at St John's.

"to supervise children at St John's."

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Other deaf people had told Father Walsh

"Other deaf people had told Father Walsh"

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and then, Father Walsh told Meyer in 1957.

"and then, Father Walsh told Meyer in 1957."

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And then, I said something in 1963.

"And then, I said something in 1963."

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It turned out that Walsh had made the same report

"It turned out that Walsh had made the same report"

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to the office of the Papal Nuncio,

"to the office of the Papal Nuncio,"

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the Vatican Ambassador in Washington DC.

"the Vatican Ambassador in Washington DC."

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So by this meeting, in 1974,

"So by this meeting, in 1974,"

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the Vatican had known about Murphy for almost 20 years.

"the Vatican had known about Murphy for almost 20 years."

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This was known and it had been dealt with in the past.

"This was known and it had been dealt with in the past."

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So there was just no question about the validity of the complaints

"So there was just no question about the validity of the complaints"

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We immediately said Father Murphy has to be removed from the school.

"We immediately said Father Murphy has to be removed from the school."

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Murphy said, "No, I take care of the budget and the money and everything."

"Murphy said, "No, I take care of the budget and the money and everything.""

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And Archbishop Cousins got very angry.

"And Archbishop Cousins got very angry."

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He started scolding and arguing with us.

"He started scolding and arguing with us."

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I'm thinking, "Wow, I can't believe this. Where was his compassion?

"I'm thinking, "Wow, I can't believe this. Where was his compassion?"

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"Where was his wanting to listen to this?"

""Where was his wanting to listen to this?""

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So we eventually kind of walked out, the Archbishop's saying to me

"So we eventually kind of walked out, the Archbishop's saying to me"

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that he was very upset because he thought he was dealing

"that he was very upset because he thought he was dealing"

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with a person of good faith.

"with a person of good faith."

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I told him I thought I was dealing with a person of good faith as well.

"I told him I thought I was dealing with a person of good faith as well."

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When deposed years later Archbishop Cousins recalled the meeting,

"When deposed years later Archbishop Cousins recalled the meeting,"

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he said that, at the time, he did not find the allegations credible.

"he said that, at the time, he did not find the allegations credible."

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He had conducted an investigation and found no proof.

"He had conducted an investigation and found no proof."

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When asked what steps he had taken

"When asked what steps he had taken"

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to determine the veracity of the allegations,

"to determine the veracity of the allegations,"

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Cousins said that he had interviewed Murphy and the school staff.

"Cousins said that he had interviewed Murphy and the school staff."

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When the lawyer asked if he had interviewed students,

"When the lawyer asked if he had interviewed students,"

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Cousins admitted that he hadn't bothered to talk to them.

"Cousins admitted that he hadn't bothered to talk to them."

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"After all," he said, "The students are deaf."

""After all," he said, "The students are deaf.""

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After getting nowhere with Archdiocese and being told by the Police

"After getting nowhere with Archdiocese and being told by the Police"

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that the Statute of Limitations had past

"that the Statute of Limitations had past"

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the men approached the Milwaukee DA's office with their concerns

"the men approached the Milwaukee DA's office with their concerns"

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about ongoing abuse.

"about ongoing abuse."

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Bob Bolger, Gary and I went to the Milwaukee Courthouse downtown.

"Bob Bolger, Gary and I went to the Milwaukee Courthouse downtown."

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And we started handing out these flyers.

"And we started handing out these flyers."

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And all the hearing people were shocked.

"And all the hearing people were shocked."

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And Bob put the flyer on DA Michael McCann's desk.

"And Bob put the flyer on DA Michael McCann's desk."

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Nobody talked to us, we said nothing,

"Nobody talked to us, we said nothing,"

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we just kept handing them out.

"we just kept handing them out."

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The DA's office took notice of the flyers

"The DA's office took notice of the flyers"

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and granted the men a meeting with then Assistant DA Bill Gardner.

"and granted the men a meeting with then Assistant DA Bill Gardner."

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Gardner went out to St John's to question students in the senior boys' dormitory.

"Gardner went out to St John's to question students in the senior boys' dormitory."

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They met in our dorm, about six of the boys.

"They met in our dorm, about six of the boys."

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The meeting only lasted about 15, 20 minutes,

"The meeting only lasted about 15, 20 minutes,"

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cos they all said, "No, no, nothing is going on."

"cos they all said, "No, no, nothing is going on.""

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And it didn't take long, it was over.

"And it didn't take long, it was over."

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I was kind of surprised,

"I was kind of surprised,"

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cos two of the gentlemen in the dorm

"cos two of the gentlemen in the dorm"

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loved to argue and debate anything

"loved to argue and debate anything"

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and they were quiet as a church mouse.

"and they were quiet as a church mouse."

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With no active students willing to come forward

"With no active students willing to come forward"

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the brief investigation ended.

"the brief investigation ended."

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McCann's office said it did not investigate past claims,

"McCann's office said it did not investigate past claims,"

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because of the Statute of Limitations

"because of the Statute of Limitations"

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But Gary, Bob and Arthur believed

"But Gary, Bob and Arthur believed"

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that their charges were not taken seriously

"that their charges were not taken seriously"

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because McCann and Gardner were devout Catholics.

"because McCann and Gardner were devout Catholics."

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Gardner in his commentary of St John's

"Gardner in his commentary of St John's"

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We are talking about the oath of a priest here.

"We are talking about the oath of a priest here."

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We're not gonna just go

"We're not gonna just go"

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head on to ruining this man's life.

"head on to ruining this man's life."

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The DA's office never brought charges against Murphy,

"The DA's office never brought charges against Murphy,"

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but at the school, the matter was not forgotten.

"but at the school, the matter was not forgotten."

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One of the gentlemen in the dorm had come by the door to my room,

"One of the gentlemen in the dorm had come by the door to my room,"

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it was about 10.30, 11 at night.

"it was about 10.30, 11 at night."

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And he said, "We want to talk to you about Murphy."

"And he said, "We want to talk to you about Murphy.""

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You know, that's when they opened up about some of the stuff.

"You know, that's when they opened up about some of the stuff."

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So I was thinking I need to try to,

"So I was thinking I need to try to,"

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you know, help them get to the bottom of this.

"you know, help them get to the bottom of this."

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So I did call the Archbishop's office

"So I did call the Archbishop's office"

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and I just said, "I have some stuff on the Father Murphy case

"and I just said, "I have some stuff on the Father Murphy case"

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"that I think the Archbishop needs to hear."

""that I think the Archbishop needs to hear.""

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He and I just met alone and I told him,

"He and I just met alone and I told him,"

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"Father Murphy admitted to me that he is molesting boys,"

""Father Murphy admitted to me that he is molesting boys,""

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